
Vivian of Ontario, CA on Aug. 31, 2007
I took my 2005 Prius to John Elways Crown Toyota for regular 5,000 mile service yesterday (August 29, 2007). This is the 9th or 10th time I brought my car there for service because the front line staff had always been friendly and offered good service. According to schedule, my car was supposed to get the 55,000 mile service. But the service advisor, Josh Reece, told me to do the major 60,000 mile service since I never got it done at 30,000 mile. I thought it was strange because I also had my 30,000 mile service done at Crown Toyota which they just did regular minor service and didnt mention to me that major service was needed. Josh said he didnt know about happened since he didnt handle it, but he strongly recommended me doing the major service which estimated cost is over $350. I thought its a bit pricy so I called my boyfriend to verify that. My boyfriend said major service is needed and its better to do major service at dealer. Therefore I left my car there for the whole day for major service. I picked up my car around 5:45PM and paid $386.40 for the service.
This morning when I drove my car to work, the triangle warning sign light went on when I was on the freeway, and I have only left my house for less than 10 minute. I switched to the far right lane and slowed down a little bit the problem didnt go away. I got off the freeway to a complete stop the light was still on. When I pull back onto the freeway, two more lights went on, the engine check light and the temperature light.
This has never happen to my Prius before so I was worried. I called Josh at Crown and told him the problem. At that time I was 30 miles away from Crown Toyota, so Josh told me to find the nearest dealer to get it checked and he will work it out with the dealer. Therefore I went to Longo Toyota. Longos service advisor Frank Lorusso talked to Josh on the phone to settle the diagnostic charge of over $90 and started checking me in. At that time its close to 9:00AM, and I had to call my office to tell them I will be late to work.
After waiting for two hours, Frank came to tell me that the warning signs were caused by a broken part, the water/coolant position level sensor in the radiator. I asked him was this related to the service I got yesterday, he told me no. He said, at first they thought it was an air pocket? problem, which is known for this model. But after diagnostic, Longo concluded there was no air pocket, the coolant level was fine, its the coolant level position sensor is broken and sticking to the wall. To replace this part, cost $491 and they have it in house can fix it right away.
Being a loyal Toyota customer for many years, I thought its very odd to have broken parts on a Toyota thats not even 3 years old. Plus the quote for the part sounded too expensive, I decided to seek second opinion. I asked Frank is my car okay to drive and he assured me yes. He said the lights will still be on because the broken part was not replaced yet. I asked him would my engine over heat? He answered, No, its okay, it shows overheat because the sensor is malfunctioning. Its just the heater would not be functioning, which you dont have to worry about under this weather.?
With professionals assurance, I drove my car away with 3 warning lights on to a independent Toyota certified auto shop (ToyoStar Auto) at Rowland Heights (about 20 miles away from El Monte) for second opinion. The ToyoStar mechanic, Dennis, listened to my problems, and immediate expressed that he think for that part to be broken is very unusual and this sounds more like the radiator is low in water/coolant instead. So he checked my engine in front of me. Together we saw the inverter coolant was not full visually. He checked the record in my car system and found the problem code is P1121. Then he used thermometer to check my engine temperature, which indicates the engine was over heating. I wanted to drive to Crown right away to show them the problem caused by them not performing the major service correctly and have Crown fix the problem. Dennis said I shouldnt drive without adding the coolant right away or my engine may burn, plus Crown was about 25 miles away. So he started adding coolant gradually into the radiator in front of me. He almost went through a full gallon of radiator.
Then Dennis told me the car should be okay to drive since the engine will not overheat now. But he did not touch anything in the system, so the lights may still be on. He wrote down the problem code and description for me and told me to go to Crown for a full check again. And he was so kind didnt even charge me for the coolant or the service.
By the time I left ToyoStar, it was pass 12:30PM and I hadnt had lunch. I was unhappy and shocked to find out the expensive dealership service that I trusted could have cause me an accident. Crown Toyota didnt even fill the inverter coolant to the desire level when they claim this service is done for the major maintenance. Longo Toyota failed to diagnostic a simple problem and wanted me to replace a part that was not even broken. Longo even told me the car was safe to drive when the engine could over heat. At that point, I had no trust in dealerships maintenance service anymore. I really dont know what they did with my car when I am not present.
When I got back to Crown Toyota for the full check again, I demanded to be with my car during the diagnostic and I requested refund. Josh, the service advisor who assisted me yesterday arranged me to go with technician Mike to check the problem together, but he said the refund Id have to talk the Service Director, Nancy. When we saw Nancy on the floor, Josh introduced her to me, but she expressed she was too busy to talk to me and ask Josh to find Jeff Wade, the assistant service manager. Jeff met with me and since I wanted to be with my car during the check up, we decided to meet later after Mike finish checking my car.
After explaining to Mike what happened earlier that day, he suspected its the air pocket? problem just like Longo suspicious earlier. Apparently, this is a well known problem due to the design of Prius having the radiator lower than the engine and heater. Mike used flash light to look into the inverter coolant level and found out even after ToyoStar filled almost a gallon, its still not at the full line. Then we went on a test drive together with engine monitor hooked to my car. During the test drive, Mike said he heard the air inside the engine. In order to get the air out, he had to turn the heater on and keep turning the car to shake the air pocket out. So I was seating in the back seat been swung around with heater on to max hot when the out side temperature is already over 105 degree for about 15 minutes. Although the process of fixing it was not that enjoyable, I didnt complain because I asked to be with my car. In fact, I appreciate Mike for explaining to me the details of what happen so I learned a lot about my car.
Basically, the problem originated from the design of this Prius model. (What a surprising disappointment! Never thought Toyota would have designing defect) In order to make the car shape more aerodynamic, the inverter coolant radiator which usually should be the higher point of the engine was positioned lower than other parts of the engine. So after draining the coolant then refilling it, it is easy to form air pocket inside the radiator or pipes if you dont fill it slowly and carefully. Once air pocket forms, newly added coolant would stay on top so you feel like its full but its not. I asked Mike since Crown service so many Prius, did this problem happen before? He told me yes, this problem has happened on some of the Prius they serviced and they are aware of the problem. This means, the person who serviced my car yesterday did not fill the coolant slowly, did not double check with flash light to make sure the coolant is at full line, did not use common sense to think that a regular size radiator would require close to 1 full gallon of coolant and stopped filling too soon, and didnt turn the heater on during test drive (6 miles for yesterdays service). To me, this means the major service was not done.
After we came back from the 20 mile test drive was already 3:00PM. Ive already lost a full day of work. Josh wanted me to talk to Nancy, but she again expressed to Josh that she was too busy to talk to me and told Josh to find Jeff. So I told Jeff that I would like to get a full refund since my service was incomplete and caused me a lot of trouble. He told me I was being unreasonable. He said they did part of the service right so he can only credit me the $91.00 labor of changing the inverter coolant. I told him I was being reasonable, I didnt even ask Crown to compensate me for my lost of missing work and possibly in a car accident due to over heat engine. He said he was sorry but the most he can credit me is the labor service, plus a voucher of a full tank gas and the next service free. I really didnt care for the voucher because I dont trust Crowns service anymore, and I dont want to waste more of my time negotiating with him. But at least I want credit back on the coolant since it was filled in another place. Crown didnt fill nearly enough to desire level.
Jeff insisted that Crown filled the coolant and he cant refund the parts charge. Then he left the room to ask the cashier to refund me $91.00 labor charge. I look at my invoice again and didnt feel it was right. When he came back to the room, I ask him to look at the invoice on the $11.95 charge for coolant that was not added to my car. So he said, Fine, I dont want to argue with you. I will just refund you that $11.95.? The way he said it was pretty insulting, like I am the unreasonable customer looking for freebies. But all I wanted was to be treated fairly. If Crown only can refund the part they messed up, they should also refund me my lost of missing a full day work, which I didnt even brought up how much itd be and Jeff already shut me down.